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edgeofjustice) wrote2011-11-10 03:18 pm
edgeofjustice) wrote2011-11-10 03:18 pm
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Question meme
This time it is just for Yuri Lowell.
FOR MY OWN RECORDS. Because dormancy and I really can't go en entire month without a question meme so I did an impromptu one like a week ago.
> Yuri on making out with Raven. Like being polygamous (polyamorous?!), what's he think, idk.
Yuri is still... very much feeling out this thing with Raven. It IS weird for him to be so emotionally involved with someone not Vincent, and to have someone not Vincent in his room. He recognizes that his thing with Raven is categorically closer to his thing with Vincent as opposed to his thing with Chariot, but his thing with Vincent is still a lot... more powerful. So in regards to the actual question... Yuri’s only problem with polyamory is a resource problem. He doesn’t want to skimp on what Raven needs/he doesn’t take their relationship (sexual and nonsexual) lightly. But he already gives (and gets) so much from Vincent, and Yuri is still kind of learning how to rely on/need other people. He’s not really very open (With Vincent it is... different. They sort of. Cork-screwed into each other... ) so he is very careful with how he relates to people. But love is a very non-careful thing; it’s a little intimidating, and a very unpredictable element for him. But Yuri is also very bull-headed in how he feels for people so it’s like... fuck it full speed ahead, now that the barrier is broken. He’s not going to go halfway now and if a problem crops up, he’ll deal with it.
Also re: polyamory there is this... thing... with being so rawly desired/needed by Raven. Yuri can't deny anyone in need for anything, so of course he'll try to meet his need with everything he has, but he won't realize/acknowledge the reality/depth of his own need in regard to Raven the way he does with Vincent.
> ... Yuri on Gil, like relationship meme. I am just interested in how colored it is.
Yuri does not have any kind of concept of Gil as a person. I think he’ll warm up to him pretty easily when they do interact, but right now, for Yuri, Gil is just the person that makes Vincent deny/efface himself so he doesn’t really have a very positive association with him! That said, Yuri would die for Gilbert (Like, IN A GAME...). Because he would die for Vincent and he realizes Vincent would prefer the former to the latter.He knows that the two brothers are very different, and it’s NOT Gil’s fault Vincent is the way he is, but... I can see him getting frustrated with Gil like, will you just GIVE VINCENT A FUCKING BONE. HE LOVES YOU SO GODDAM MUCH. Yeah most of his feelings on Gil circle back to his feelings on Vincent... It hurts (in a vague way) to see Vincent just pour his entire being into Gilbert Gilbert Gilbert and just (apparently) be rewarded so little, though Yuri has only scorched the surface of this...
> Still wanna know how Yuri thinks of Aather now after everything.
> Aather vs Vesperia world. If he's got anything on that, like preferring one or etc.
SUCH HARD QUESTIONS... Seriously I'm sorry if this is small and scattered but really these are both GIANT QUESTIONS for Yuri. It's like a dialouge constantly going on in the bag of his mind, though he's had a lot of foreground stuff going on lately.
I think, barring his relationships, he prefers Aather. he’s not very bound to Terca Lumireis--there’s so much conflict, between classes, between the Guilds and the Empire. There’s a lot of pain and turmoil tied up with Terca Lumireis BUT... he feels obligated to Terca. Its his home; it would be very difficult for him not to go back. But watching Aather grow and flourish due to their efforts... definitely has a sentimental effect for him. But he doesn’t idealize Aather as being this place where the only problems are the Personae. There’s the inequality been the knights, conflict between the teams but it’s Yuri’s nature to look for and address inequality/conflict. That’ll hold no matter WHERE he goes. .. Honestly, it’s very split down the middle. It will be a tough decision for Yuri whether to stay or go. Aather will never be home the way Zaphias is home, but this world that is always changing and surprising is definitely appealing.
> AU FUNTIME. In a perfect world, Yuri ends up in PH world with Elliot still alive and shit not being crazy etc. Tell me how it goes. Parlors he hits up, what hour does he drag himself home, just all the fun details.
THIS... also scattered. I assume this was kinda post-aatherish??
Fuck parlors, Yuri goes dancing. He goes to social functions soley to dance and drink. He dances with your mother, your daughter, your sister, and also your brother, father, and husband. He flirts but he doesn’t play favorites . He trolls Vincent when he tries to go after girls but he’s never explicit with Vincent in public nless by invitation. when there isn’t a high-class party going on he hits the slums to dance and ALWAYS tries to get Vincent or Elliot (Or Gilbert?) to go with him (Do he and Vincent ever pick up guys/girls together?). Yuri’s always a gentleman with the ladies but of course he has a reputation as a rascal. There’s always something glaring wrong with what he’s wearing--something unbuttoned, color where there shouldn’t be--and he never wears his hair up. He sporadically climbs through Vincent’s window to bug him, or crawl into bed with him for a nap or an afternoon fuck. He gets into a lot of duels because he can’t keep his mouth shut, and, of course, always wins.
dormancy and I really can't go en entire month without a question meme so I did an impromptu one like a week ago.> Yuri on making out with Raven. Like being polygamous (polyamorous?!), what's he think, idk.
Yuri is still... very much feeling out this thing with Raven. It IS weird for him to be so emotionally involved with someone not Vincent, and to have someone not Vincent in his room. He recognizes that his thing with Raven is categorically closer to his thing with Vincent as opposed to his thing with Chariot, but his thing with Vincent is still a lot... more powerful. So in regards to the actual question... Yuri’s only problem with polyamory is a resource problem. He doesn’t want to skimp on what Raven needs/he doesn’t take their relationship (sexual and nonsexual) lightly. But he already gives (and gets) so much from Vincent, and Yuri is still kind of learning how to rely on/need other people. He’s not really very open (With Vincent it is... different. They sort of. Cork-screwed into each other... ) so he is very careful with how he relates to people. But love is a very non-careful thing; it’s a little intimidating, and a very unpredictable element for him. But Yuri is also very bull-headed in how he feels for people so it’s like... fuck it full speed ahead, now that the barrier is broken. He’s not going to go halfway now and if a problem crops up, he’ll deal with it.
Also re: polyamory there is this... thing... with being so rawly desired/needed by Raven. Yuri can't deny anyone in need for anything, so of course he'll try to meet his need with everything he has, but he won't realize/acknowledge the reality/depth of his own need in regard to Raven the way he does with Vincent.
> ... Yuri on Gil, like relationship meme. I am just interested in how colored it is.
Yuri does not have any kind of concept of Gil as a person. I think he’ll warm up to him pretty easily when they do interact, but right now, for Yuri, Gil is just the person that makes Vincent deny/efface himself so he doesn’t really have a very positive association with him! That said, Yuri would die for Gilbert (Like, IN A GAME...). Because he would die for Vincent and he realizes Vincent would prefer the former to the latter.He knows that the two brothers are very different, and it’s NOT Gil’s fault Vincent is the way he is, but... I can see him getting frustrated with Gil like, will you just GIVE VINCENT A FUCKING BONE. HE LOVES YOU SO GODDAM MUCH. Yeah most of his feelings on Gil circle back to his feelings on Vincent... It hurts (in a vague way) to see Vincent just pour his entire being into Gilbert Gilbert Gilbert and just (apparently) be rewarded so little, though Yuri has only scorched the surface of this...
> Still wanna know how Yuri thinks of Aather now after everything.
> Aather vs Vesperia world. If he's got anything on that, like preferring one or etc.
SUCH HARD QUESTIONS... Seriously I'm sorry if this is small and scattered but really these are both GIANT QUESTIONS for Yuri. It's like a dialouge constantly going on in the bag of his mind, though he's had a lot of foreground stuff going on lately.
I think, barring his relationships, he prefers Aather. he’s not very bound to Terca Lumireis--there’s so much conflict, between classes, between the Guilds and the Empire. There’s a lot of pain and turmoil tied up with Terca Lumireis BUT... he feels obligated to Terca. Its his home; it would be very difficult for him not to go back. But watching Aather grow and flourish due to their efforts... definitely has a sentimental effect for him. But he doesn’t idealize Aather as being this place where the only problems are the Personae. There’s the inequality been the knights, conflict between the teams but it’s Yuri’s nature to look for and address inequality/conflict. That’ll hold no matter WHERE he goes. .. Honestly, it’s very split down the middle. It will be a tough decision for Yuri whether to stay or go. Aather will never be home the way Zaphias is home, but this world that is always changing and surprising is definitely appealing.
> AU FUNTIME. In a perfect world, Yuri ends up in PH world with Elliot still alive and shit not being crazy etc. Tell me how it goes. Parlors he hits up, what hour does he drag himself home, just all the fun details.
THIS... also scattered. I assume this was kinda post-aatherish??
Fuck parlors, Yuri goes dancing. He goes to social functions soley to dance and drink. He dances with your mother, your daughter, your sister, and also your brother, father, and husband. He flirts but he doesn’t play favorites . He trolls Vincent when he tries to go after girls but he’s never explicit with Vincent in public nless by invitation. when there isn’t a high-class party going on he hits the slums to dance and ALWAYS tries to get Vincent or Elliot (Or Gilbert?) to go with him (Do he and Vincent ever pick up guys/girls together?). Yuri’s always a gentleman with the ladies but of course he has a reputation as a rascal. There’s always something glaring wrong with what he’s wearing--something unbuttoned, color where there shouldn’t be--and he never wears his hair up. He sporadically climbs through Vincent’s window to bug him, or crawl into bed with him for a nap or an afternoon fuck. He gets into a lot of duels because he can’t keep his mouth shut, and, of course, always wins.
...WELL SINCE THE ABOVE IS A WEEK OLD, I am sure you can still talk to me more about Yuri and Raven and feelings and their most recent thread(s).
I WILL JUST GO DOWN OUR CR ONE AT A TIME
LET'S START WITH YURI AND ELLIOT. basically anything new whatevwhatev THOUGHTS? are you ever going to man up and give elliot The Talk?
LET'S START WITH YURI AND ELLIOT. basically anything new whatevwhatev THOUGHTS? are you ever going to man up and give elliot The Talk?
Describe to me the exact level of shit that would be flipped by Yuri Lowell should Flynn Scifo show up in Aather.
Use examples. Show your work.
Use examples. Show your work.
Dino and Yuri hit it off right away in Aather and for a long time they were just dumb boys together doing dumb (but safe. ish) things and occasionally having SUPER CASUAL SEX. They were the most casual, but they also bonded over the fact that they were both discovering they were maybe kind of bad people in their previous lives. It's something that came up once and then they didn't really talk about it, because all Yuri's past life angst got vented to Vincent.
And then Acedia TORE THEIR LOVE APAAAART no I'm kidding. Dino finally told Yuri that someone was trying to kill him BUT he also said that he hadn't told Yuri because he was afraid Yuri would go after and kill the person, and that was just. a huge punch in the feelings for Yuri, who is SO MINDFUL of the fact that he is a killer and he NEVER EVER EVER forgets it, moreso in Aather than in canon because Yuri hasn't been hardened by years of hating the Empire and got all his killing memories completely out of context. So what he heard was basically "You are a bad person and I don't trust you and that's what you deserve." They sort of fake made-up but Yuri still had this giant soul-wound.
So they just kind of avoided each other for a while until Yuri found out Chariot had been hiding some super serious injuries from everyone and really it's better to just read that thread. Basically, Yuri realized he didn't want to be in this relationship of just hiding everything so as not to worry the other, because that's dumb and not a friendship at all. So he decided to go full disclosure and told Dino that he let 'someone' rip him up and they agreed to tell each other when they got hurt or whatever.
Right now they are back to status quo, as far as I know! When all his other relationships are so freaking complicated, Cherry is Yuri's ~rock~, his foundation of casual supportive dumb boy friendship who will carry him to his room and let him nap on him. All of the dere for Cherry.
Does Acedia have a plan for screwing with Chariot or is it more of a... what do I feel like doing today?
And then Acedia TORE THEIR LOVE APAAAART no I'm kidding. Dino finally told Yuri that someone was trying to kill him BUT he also said that he hadn't told Yuri because he was afraid Yuri would go after and kill the person, and that was just. a huge punch in the feelings for Yuri, who is SO MINDFUL of the fact that he is a killer and he NEVER EVER EVER forgets it, moreso in Aather than in canon because Yuri hasn't been hardened by years of hating the Empire and got all his killing memories completely out of context. So what he heard was basically "You are a bad person and I don't trust you and that's what you deserve." They sort of fake made-up but Yuri still had this giant soul-wound.
So they just kind of avoided each other for a while until Yuri found out Chariot had been hiding some super serious injuries from everyone and really it's better to just read that thread. Basically, Yuri realized he didn't want to be in this relationship of just hiding everything so as not to worry the other, because that's dumb and not a friendship at all. So he decided to go full disclosure and told Dino that he let 'someone' rip him up and they agreed to tell each other when they got hurt or whatever.
Right now they are back to status quo, as far as I know! When all his other relationships are so freaking complicated, Cherry is Yuri's ~rock~, his foundation of casual supportive dumb boy friendship who will carry him to his room and let him nap on him. All of the dere for Cherry.
Does Acedia have a plan for screwing with Chariot or is it more of a... what do I feel like doing today?
In more-or-less order...
1. He has a casual intermittent thing with Dino
2. Vincent and he fuck like rabbits
3. Occasional threesomes with Zack
4. Drunken foursome with Guy that one time
5. His thing with Raven (Vesperia Raven)
6. A quickie with Lucifer.
I think that's it...
Is Percy crushin' on anyone?
1. He has a casual intermittent thing with Dino
2. Vincent and he fuck like rabbits
3. Occasional threesomes with Zack
4. Drunken foursome with Guy that one time
5. His thing with Raven (Vesperia Raven)
6. A quickie with Lucifer.
I think that's it...
Is Percy crushin' on anyone?
Do you like me y/n
Gimme updated stuff on Zack.
Gimme updated stuff on Zack.
Okay well that thread they just had went from A to B to C at like. Breakneck speed.
Raven does tend to top him just by, like, attending to his feelings. Yuri doesn't even attend to his OWN feelings so that's a pretty big gap in his defenses. In the endgame thread Yuri did flinch, in a big way--it's hard for him to just ACCEPT the fact that Raven has the feelings he has for him; he definitely doesn't think he deserves that much feelings and he is sooo nervous of mishandling them. You could say he is thinking too hard about 'What is the best possible thing I could do for Raven' but it's not in an 'obligatory' sense--he wants to make Raven happy because Raven is Raven and important to him, thus why he got so frustrated when Raven was so caught on Yuri 'needing' him or not. His love for Raven is... not romantic per se, but more naively simple.
It stuck with him, what Raven said about it being okay to want or need people for no reason, and that's sort of what he used to push through the rough spot in that thread. Just--he WANTS so firmly and recklessly for things to work out but it feels like every time he steps he falls into a hole. But he will keep climbing out of the hole and trying.
Reverse! And, does Raven know the extent to which Yuri is in a serious relationship with someone else? Does it bother him?
Raven does tend to top him just by, like, attending to his feelings. Yuri doesn't even attend to his OWN feelings so that's a pretty big gap in his defenses. In the endgame thread Yuri did flinch, in a big way--it's hard for him to just ACCEPT the fact that Raven has the feelings he has for him; he definitely doesn't think he deserves that much feelings and he is sooo nervous of mishandling them. You could say he is thinking too hard about 'What is the best possible thing I could do for Raven' but it's not in an 'obligatory' sense--he wants to make Raven happy because Raven is Raven and important to him, thus why he got so frustrated when Raven was so caught on Yuri 'needing' him or not. His love for Raven is... not romantic per se, but more naively simple.
It stuck with him, what Raven said about it being okay to want or need people for no reason, and that's sort of what he used to push through the rough spot in that thread. Just--he WANTS so firmly and recklessly for things to work out but it feels like every time he steps he falls into a hole. But he will keep climbing out of the hole and trying.
Reverse! And, does Raven know the extent to which Yuri is in a serious relationship with someone else? Does it bother him?
YURI. LOVES. ELLIOT. SO. MUCH. He did kind of fall in love with being Elliot's 'older brother'; he loves playing that role and Elliot is like... pure soul therapy. He stupid love Elliot. I really don't know how else to say it. Love love love. And he loves that he and Vincent (Despite Vincent being himself) sort of bond over trolling poor Elliot... like a real family.
Yes... he is. Maybe next time they thread. He's really just waiting for it to come up. It's a dicey thing, because it's not like he's trying to push Elliot into sex, he just doesn't want him to be so terrified and repressed at it.
Reverse~ Also tell me the psychological damage we did to you, Ellie.
Yes... he is. Maybe next time they thread. He's really just waiting for it to come up. It's a dicey thing, because it's not like he's trying to push Elliot into sex, he just doesn't want him to be so terrified and repressed at it.
Reverse~ Also tell me the psychological damage we did to you, Ellie.
SUPER CUTE HARD WORKING GIRL. Sakura scored all the point right off the bat... Yuri thinks Sakura has really got her feet under her and he is really impressed with her ability to roll! Also she's training with Riful and that is just hard core. Definitely wants to hang out with her more.
Reverse~?
Reverse~?
Well. I imagine Flynn enters the ring.
Yuri makes that face up there ^
In the background, Zack and Dino popcorn.gif like "Hmm. :| He really does look like Flynn."
YURI TRIES TO COVER HIS HICKIES and play it totally cool like, Hey Flynn. It's about time you showed up. Gives him the run down like a boss and then I imagine Flynn starts being Flynn and Yuri FLIPS A TSUN TABLE, probably goes home and bitches to Dino or Vincent for like two hours about STUPID FLYNN and then turns right around like aah .///. Flynn will be such a good knight .////. this stuff really suits him dere dere dere forever BUT GOD FLYNN I HATE HIM TSUN TSUN TSUN!!!!
EVERYONE EVER for the next, like, two weeks hears ALL ABOUT how STUPID FLYNN IS and what a GOOD KNIGHT HE IS. I can imagine him and Vincent making out and getting hot and heavy but then Yuri suddenly launches into some rant or story about Flynn. He tries to ~subtly~ guide Vincent into not giving him hickies and Vincent GIVES HIM EVERY HICKEY EVER.
Meanwhile I'm sure Zack and Dino be Helpers and drop all kind of horrible hints about Yuri being a total slut. Guy is a wild card. IDK if he would help or hurt.
I'm sure the reality, however, would be 10x more magical.
Tell me Oz's thoughts on Yuri and Vincent.
Yuri makes that face up there ^
In the background, Zack and Dino popcorn.gif like "Hmm. :| He really does look like Flynn."
YURI TRIES TO COVER HIS HICKIES and play it totally cool like, Hey Flynn. It's about time you showed up. Gives him the run down like a boss and then I imagine Flynn starts being Flynn and Yuri FLIPS A TSUN TABLE, probably goes home and bitches to Dino or Vincent for like two hours about STUPID FLYNN and then turns right around like aah .///. Flynn will be such a good knight .////. this stuff really suits him dere dere dere forever BUT GOD FLYNN I HATE HIM TSUN TSUN TSUN!!!!
EVERYONE EVER for the next, like, two weeks hears ALL ABOUT how STUPID FLYNN IS and what a GOOD KNIGHT HE IS. I can imagine him and Vincent making out and getting hot and heavy but then Yuri suddenly launches into some rant or story about Flynn. He tries to ~subtly~ guide Vincent into not giving him hickies and Vincent GIVES HIM EVERY HICKEY EVER.
Meanwhile I'm sure Zack and Dino be Helpers and drop all kind of horrible hints about Yuri being a total slut. Guy is a wild card. IDK if he would help or hurt.
I'm sure the reality, however, would be 10x more magical.
Tell me Oz's thoughts on Yuri and Vincent.
AND THEN I ESSAYED FOREVER.
Raven did not actually regret having sex with Yuri at all, per se, and he does not feel particularly taken advantage of in that way. Like I mentioned on plurk a bit ago, about at the point when Yuri was injured Raven was already swiftly approaching "oh fuck it what could it hurt." Especially after Beauty's game. Then he was injured and in shock and grateful to Yuri, and he managed to keep up his normal joking deflection for about five seconds, but he really didn't have the energy for it so when Yuri pushed again he just gave in. And of course he enjoyed it a lot.
IF THAT HAD BEEN ALL he would have been a lot more stable... he would still have spent a lot of time thinking about it and wondering self-consciously if they were a Thing now or if he even wanted them to be a Thing, if it was just sex. And would probably have concluded it was just sex and that was fine with him. That is not really fine with him but he would likely have settled into that frame of mind and wouldn't have talked about it to anyone.
BUT Yuri left really obvious hickeys on his neck and basically told Ferris what had happened. Whichhh of course made that completely impossible because he had to talk about it with like four people over the span of a day. Ferris teased him about it having ~finally happened~ and stuff. He told Judith about it! Inara said that Yuri must be really important to him. He denied it was anything romantic to Beatrice and then felt super guilty and bad about it. SO BASICALLY he had no choice, it was obviously a Thing. And that he was kind of mad at Yuri for, because he felt really a) trapped by it, like he didn't have a say in what it meant to him, and b) like it was shutting down his potential relationships with other people.
THAT SAID HE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE MINDED ANY OF THAT if he felt like it was... even? He enjoyed getting the hickeys and he even enjoys their presence and that proof to everyone that Yuri has claimed him, on a base level. However he didn't feel like that was... real. Because he doesn't think Yuri cares about him that much to be that possessive of him! And Yuri has someone else! So he felt like he while he was in a spin thinking about Yuri constantly and wanting Yuri constantly and having everyone congratulate him or whatever, Yuri was probably just off doing his own thing casually, which is like. Exactly why he didn't want to get involved with Yuri to start with.
SO THAT WAS WHAT WENT INTO THEIR PARTY THREAD PROPER. Raven was doing his best to be casual and joking and "I need to go flirt with all the ladies." And then Yuri was like oh okay cool, and so Raven was like oh no I was right he doesn't actually care. THEN YURI GAZEBO'D HIM and they talked about things, and he actually expressed... some of what he was feeling. And then Yuri had feelings too and admitted to being trying, so Raven was like "...well okay maybe it's not that he doesn't care, maybe he's just a failure at feelings." AND I AM NOT SURE THAT'S FUNCTIONALLY BETTER but also Yuri was cute having feelings.
Thennnn there was the endgame thread where he was drunk! Which was after I Never where he got poked even more about Yuri, by Ferris and by Mitchell. ("Should I send out a bulletin?") And after Ferris suggested he should go have Yuri ~service him~. So he was actually... pretty mad at Yuri again in that thread, even from the beginning... but was also drunk and harried enough that he was like oh god fuck it if it's going to be like this anyway I might as well get sex out of it. I was actually laughing to myself a little that you could tell Raven was in a bad emotional state there because he was topping. >_> That is a slight exaggeration, he is capable of topping normally too, but he does it a lot more when he's either angry or disaffected enough that he doesn't care about the consequences of what he's doing. (See: stuff around the Don's death, Schwann.) His sweet-talking flirting was 100% unfortunately honest and slightly pointed because of that! It was definitely very much a "this is what you are getting into" thing.
So Yuri attempting to turn him down because he didn't want to take advantage of him was just. lol. He was like... THE ADVANTAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN, YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT. So pretty much the worst possible thing to tell him! Especially right after he'd challenged Yuri on whether he actually wanted to put the effort into it with him.
THAT... SAID... having sex is not actually a terribly better choice either because they didn't... actually resolve any issues there really, he just kept pushing until Yuri gave in, and clinging desperately to whatever Yuri can give him is another thing he really didn't want to do! And when he sobers up a little he will be like "oh god did I really... do that... how about I don't talk to Yuri ever again, that sounds like a good plan."
AND TO ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION no Raven does not know the extent of Yuri's relationship with Vincent. At the moment he only kind of suspects that Yuri is involved with Vincent and is trying not to think about it too hard. Or at all. He probably could have... noticed... by now... given their exhibitionism... But I am assuming he has not because he would notttttt react well. Bothering him is an understatement, if he knew Yuri had someone else he loved and was still doing all this with Raven he would feel really betrayed and shut down and reject any further advances from Yuri. :'D I'm sorry Yuri, Raven is a romantic with monogamous tendencies and gets really jealous.
Is Yuri going to... tell Raven... about Vincent... at any point...
Raven did not actually regret having sex with Yuri at all, per se, and he does not feel particularly taken advantage of in that way. Like I mentioned on plurk a bit ago, about at the point when Yuri was injured Raven was already swiftly approaching "oh fuck it what could it hurt." Especially after Beauty's game. Then he was injured and in shock and grateful to Yuri, and he managed to keep up his normal joking deflection for about five seconds, but he really didn't have the energy for it so when Yuri pushed again he just gave in. And of course he enjoyed it a lot.
IF THAT HAD BEEN ALL he would have been a lot more stable... he would still have spent a lot of time thinking about it and wondering self-consciously if they were a Thing now or if he even wanted them to be a Thing, if it was just sex. And would probably have concluded it was just sex and that was fine with him. That is not really fine with him but he would likely have settled into that frame of mind and wouldn't have talked about it to anyone.
BUT Yuri left really obvious hickeys on his neck and basically told Ferris what had happened. Whichhh of course made that completely impossible because he had to talk about it with like four people over the span of a day. Ferris teased him about it having ~finally happened~ and stuff. He told Judith about it! Inara said that Yuri must be really important to him. He denied it was anything romantic to Beatrice and then felt super guilty and bad about it. SO BASICALLY he had no choice, it was obviously a Thing. And that he was kind of mad at Yuri for, because he felt really a) trapped by it, like he didn't have a say in what it meant to him, and b) like it was shutting down his potential relationships with other people.
THAT SAID HE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE MINDED ANY OF THAT if he felt like it was... even? He enjoyed getting the hickeys and he even enjoys their presence and that proof to everyone that Yuri has claimed him, on a base level. However he didn't feel like that was... real. Because he doesn't think Yuri cares about him that much to be that possessive of him! And Yuri has someone else! So he felt like he while he was in a spin thinking about Yuri constantly and wanting Yuri constantly and having everyone congratulate him or whatever, Yuri was probably just off doing his own thing casually, which is like. Exactly why he didn't want to get involved with Yuri to start with.
SO THAT WAS WHAT WENT INTO THEIR PARTY THREAD PROPER. Raven was doing his best to be casual and joking and "I need to go flirt with all the ladies." And then Yuri was like oh okay cool, and so Raven was like oh no I was right he doesn't actually care. THEN YURI GAZEBO'D HIM and they talked about things, and he actually expressed... some of what he was feeling. And then Yuri had feelings too and admitted to being trying, so Raven was like "...well okay maybe it's not that he doesn't care, maybe he's just a failure at feelings." AND I AM NOT SURE THAT'S FUNCTIONALLY BETTER but also Yuri was cute having feelings.
Thennnn there was the endgame thread where he was drunk! Which was after I Never where he got poked even more about Yuri, by Ferris and by Mitchell. ("Should I send out a bulletin?") And after Ferris suggested he should go have Yuri ~service him~. So he was actually... pretty mad at Yuri again in that thread, even from the beginning... but was also drunk and harried enough that he was like oh god fuck it if it's going to be like this anyway I might as well get sex out of it. I was actually laughing to myself a little that you could tell Raven was in a bad emotional state there because he was topping. >_> That is a slight exaggeration, he is capable of topping normally too, but he does it a lot more when he's either angry or disaffected enough that he doesn't care about the consequences of what he's doing. (See: stuff around the Don's death, Schwann.) His sweet-talking flirting was 100% unfortunately honest and slightly pointed because of that! It was definitely very much a "this is what you are getting into" thing.
So Yuri attempting to turn him down because he didn't want to take advantage of him was just. lol. He was like... THE ADVANTAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN, YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT. So pretty much the worst possible thing to tell him! Especially right after he'd challenged Yuri on whether he actually wanted to put the effort into it with him.
THAT... SAID... having sex is not actually a terribly better choice either because they didn't... actually resolve any issues there really, he just kept pushing until Yuri gave in, and clinging desperately to whatever Yuri can give him is another thing he really didn't want to do! And when he sobers up a little he will be like "oh god did I really... do that... how about I don't talk to Yuri ever again, that sounds like a good plan."
AND TO ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION no Raven does not know the extent of Yuri's relationship with Vincent. At the moment he only kind of suspects that Yuri is involved with Vincent and is trying not to think about it too hard. Or at all. He probably could have... noticed... by now... given their exhibitionism... But I am assuming he has not because he would notttttt react well. Bothering him is an understatement, if he knew Yuri had someone else he loved and was still doing all this with Raven he would feel really betrayed and shut down and reject any further advances from Yuri. :'D I'm sorry Yuri, Raven is a romantic with monogamous tendencies and gets really jealous.
Is Yuri going to... tell Raven... about Vincent... at any point...
OBVIOUSLY NOT ANYTIME SOON...
I mean, he will eventually, obviously, because he and Vincent are VERY public. He's not trying to keep it a secret or even consciously not telling him. A good opportunity simply hasn't come up.
A side note on telling Ferris... He honestly thought that by telling TE they would leave Raven alone, not tease him MORE. In retrospect he kicked himself for the hickies--it was a purely indulgent, possessive gesture at the time that he just really didn't think through.
Yuri... has no framework for monogamy. Like, AT NO POINT did it occur to him that Raven would want to be a monogamous Item. He and Vincent are very much "and then we each fucked off to do our own thing." So when they did it the first time Yuri was kind of puppyishly pleased with the situation like that was TOTALLY THE ONLY BARRIER THEY HAD. :D And now he is very doggedly resolving to do WHATEVER IT TAKES for Raven to walk away and have them be fine.
What does Raven think of Yuri being an emotional failure?
I mean, he will eventually, obviously, because he and Vincent are VERY public. He's not trying to keep it a secret or even consciously not telling him. A good opportunity simply hasn't come up.
A side note on telling Ferris... He honestly thought that by telling TE they would leave Raven alone, not tease him MORE. In retrospect he kicked himself for the hickies--it was a purely indulgent, possessive gesture at the time that he just really didn't think through.
Yuri... has no framework for monogamy. Like, AT NO POINT did it occur to him that Raven would want to be a monogamous Item. He and Vincent are very much "and then we each fucked off to do our own thing." So when they did it the first time Yuri was kind of puppyishly pleased with the situation like that was TOTALLY THE ONLY BARRIER THEY HAD. :D And now he is very doggedly resolving to do WHATEVER IT TAKES for Raven to walk away and have them be fine.
What does Raven think of Yuri being an emotional failure?
Hilariously Yuri is my second character who is a liiittle jealous of Zack. BACK OFF MY CHEERY. >O He has a lot of feelings of tsun for Zack because Zack's seen him in a lot of embarrassing positions, but he appreciates that Zack is dependable but also a bro.
Reverse~?
Reverse~?
Zack is super fond of Yuri. :x HE THINKS OF HIM AS A BRO and while they haven't really had any serious threads lately, he pokes because he cares. Even if that ends with him molesting the hell out of you. WE SHOULD THREAD MORE DAMMIT.
Why is Yuri jealous, why is this a theme with your characters and mine.
Why is Yuri jealous, why is this a theme with your characters and mine.
SO HILARIOUS. Yuri thinks Echo is pretty cute, and her sense of humor really struck him as the exact kind of humor you need when dealing with Vincent... Interested in teasing and broing with her.
Reverse? What does she think about Vincent having a lover~
Reverse? What does she think about Vincent having a lover~
Yuri has very uncomplicated feelings about Spitfire! He's cute, but he sees him more as Cherry's territory. It's amusing to him that Spitfire can still be sort of shy. :P
Reverse? Does Spitfire know he and Cherry fool around yet?
Reverse? Does Spitfire know he and Cherry fool around yet?
Well for a while when he and Cherry were on the rocks it seemed like Zack was moving in to replace him because Cherry was TELLING HIM THINGS and broing with him and whatnot. It's probably better now that Cherry and he are square but we Do have to thread again to find out.
Goku on Citrine?
Goku on Citrine?
Definitely a flavor of the day thing. He doesn't even particularly dislike Dino. He's just miscellaneously angry and Dino offered and "fits the criteria" more or less. He might get over it. Or find out that Luke has a crush and channel his frustration. Who knows.
Does Yuri have any idea about... this...?
Does Yuri have any idea about... this...?
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