edgeofjustice | (no subject)

Nooot really. It is kind of annoying that Raven is on his case for picking up injuries in games when he apparently does the same thing but I don't think he knows Raven and Beatrice are any more than passing acquaintances.

So, really, how would Raven feel if Yuri told him straight out that he let Vincent torture him?

Like I was saying, Raven would honestly feel better about that at this point than learning Yuri was lying to him again. He is upset that Yuri gets himself hurt, but he is more upset that Yuri does not seem to think that this is a thing worth doing only for good reasons or talking about with people. So all Raven knows is that Yuri is valuing his own well being below... something Raven doesn't really understand. If Yuri was like "yeah Vincent is fucked up but I love him and sometimes he needs to torture someone and I can be there for that" Raven would... still not be happy, obviously, but at least that is something he can understand better!

On a romantic/sexual relationship level it would probably be a death blow to any hopes Raven might have of working things out with Yuri in that way, because obviously Vincent is infinitely more important to Yuri than Raven could ever be, but... he doesn't actually have any hopes left so that wouldn't make any difference really. And on a party relationship level it would be better because he could be like "OKAY THAT IS UNHEALTHY but at least he's willing to talk about it, maybe that means it can be kept under control and maybe we can work on Yuri valuing himself as much as he does Vincent."

I was thinking more about the role-reversal/crash thing, and really the reason Raven hates Yuri not talking about his issues is that Raven didn't talk about them until after he kidnapped Estelle and tried to get Yuri to kill him. When Raven really has no idea what is going on with Yuri except warnig signs he can imagine the worst might happen at any moment. NO MATTER HOW MANY ISSUES YURI HAS it is still better if he's talking about them.

Is there any chance in hell of Yuri actually doing that...

Yes! Like I said, Yuri is only not telling Raven things because half of the things are Vincent's business. He has worked really hard to cultivate that trust and doesn't want to lose it, but he is aware he's keeping it at the expense of Raven's trust and he isn't thrilled about that. He really does honestly try to tell him what he can but then that just seems to make things worse.

Would Raven activly seek to change anything in Yuri's heart? Would he try to weed out Vincent?

Raven really would be more okay with "it's Vincent's secret" if it didn't obviously involve Yuri's feelings about himself! He doesn't necessarily want to interfere with Vincent/their relationship more than the minimum of diplomacy necessary. But Yuri stabbed himself in the foot in public and said it was specifically because he had stabbed Vincent, which means that it is not something that is just Vincent's problem or something that is just between them, it is something that Yuri has internalized and which has added to his self-hatred, or at least his unfortunately cavalier attitude toward his own well-being. :|

Anyway, no, he wouldn't. Or, well, he certainly wouldn't intend to. Raven is very set on non-interference in hearts in general, and he certainly wouldn't set out to change Yuri's feelings in an unnatural way that might have unintended consequences. THAT SAID his ability to stick with this non-interference principle in the face of dramatic heart circumstances is pretty limited. (See, almost getting himself killed arguing with Ferris' brother in her heart, almost having a threesome with Misato in her heart.) If he ran into Vincent hurting Yuri in Yuri's heart he probably wouldn't think about it that hard.

Okay so what would Yuri do if hypothetically Raven took this turning things around all the way and let Beatrice hurt him and then told Yuri about it. :'D

He would simultaneously recognize he hypocrisy of his feeling and mentally FLIP A POSSESSIVE TABLE. Surface-wise, he would handle it like a party leader, and make sure Raven wasn't just doing this as a reaction or out of a need to hurt himself. SORRY RAVEN HE WOULD MOSTLY RESPECT YOUR SPACE and also watch him like a hawk.

Does Yuri have any idea that Yuri is actually possessive of him? How would he react if he knew?

Noooo I don't think Raven really has any idea. Yuri would have to be really explicit about it for it to get through and stick, especially at this point. How he would react if he found out would depend on the context... when he's depressed it's reassuring, and in a sexual context it's hot, but as stable as he his atm and in the current situation it might actually make him a little resentful. :|a Partially of Yuri because if Yuri is not being party leadery and Raven is having to be the more responsible one for some reason and Raven has no claim whatsoever on Yuri himself, then Yuri shouldn't get to own him, it's not fair. And partially of himself because he'd still like it anyway.

...What if Karol showed up in Aather.