edgeofjustice | queston meme

IDK IS THERE ANYTHING NEW? play with me more.

Yeah we had a long gap with no threading. :<

Their relationship HAS changed, mostly because Yuri kind of officially has his shit together so (he thinks) he doesn't need that anchoring point that Lloyd provided at one time. You probably noticed in our last thread that Yuri blatantly kind of lied/ignored it when Lloyd opened the conversation about his feelings :D; He likes Lloyd so he won't be AVOIDING him but man he is going to be doing some first class dissembling.

reverse? :?

Yeah no one informed Lloyd that Yuri had decided that he wasn't stupid any more, so Lloyd still thinks he is kind of stupid. He likes him though! So no change on Lloyd's end whatsoever |Da

Does Yuri really have his shit together or is he just... Yuriing along...

... BOTH! :D The definition of Yuriing along is being VERY VERY on top of shit (in the most unhealthy way for himself as possible). However, in Aather he is actually pretty healthy and not making bad decisions. All his relationships (even with Vincent) are positive and stable. Hilariously, while he was flopping around getting terrible memories all the time and sublimating with rough promiscuous sex he actually learned how to rely on people a bit more! I think he'll still have some pitfalls and it will be interesting to see what kind of outside pressure happens in the future--Yuri's relationships make him more confident and more able to shove his own feelings down to get business down but Yuri can also get vicious when he's protecting his own, so he is basically 75% more dangerous and more decisive.

How are Lloyd and KK? Does Lloyd ship KK/Aeris..

Lloyd and KK are fine! They've progressed to teaming up on hapless victims, such as Zack. It's just a very stable relationship where they are willing to emotionally lean on one another a lot, respect each others' opinions and judgments, etc. Lloyd is a little worried about KK right now because of heartgame stuff but on an interacting-with-each-other level they are still kittens.

Lloyd would ship KK/Aeris if he knew KK/Aeris was a thing. Frankly he would like to see Aeris take more support in her life and he doesn't feel insecure about his thing with KK so if she wants to date Aeris too, that is cool. He and Zack can go fishing while they date, whatever man.

How would you describe how Yuri's relationship with his past affects his relationship with canonmates in general?

Clarification: Do you mean his past as in pre-game or his past in relation to Aather, which would be the game itself? Or both...

Both! Life before Aather in general.

Gosh I love that question. This is gonna get rambley and a lot of headcanon about Yuri's... head. AND ALSO I DON'T THINK THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION EXACTLY so feel free to ask for clarification...

So for the first SEVENTEEN YEARS of Yuri's life it was only Flynn Flynn Flynn; he only had Flynn and Flynn was the only person he depended on! They were orphans, and while they were raised sort of communally by the Lower Quarter (from what I understand) they were exposed enough to know exactly what was wrong with the empire.

And then he lost Flynn (to the knights) and he lost all his idealism PRETTY VIOLENTLY AND SUDDENLY and also his purpose. Honestly I imagine it left him in a kind of vacuum, which he tried to fill by defending the lower quarter except half the time he just made things worse for the lower quarter and ESPECIALLY for himself, but even when he managed to do good it was NEVER ENOUGH because Flynn, who abandoned him, was always doing better and everything he could do was only a temporary bandaid. So that is like 3 straight years of feeling like shit and being by himself and doing everything alone (because Repede is a great dog but not as emotionally fulfilling as a human being!!) Yuri VERY CLEARLY doesn't like himself very much for the first half of the game. He says to Rita--"Estelle is a good person not like you or me."

So YURI LOWELL IS A LONE WOLF. Lowell apparently means 'little wolf' and he has a crap ton of artes with wolf in the title, including but not limited to "lone wolf charge". And it's funny because despite everything, Yuri is a GOOD party leader--and he is clearly the party leader. He would make a rocking knight captain, tbh; he is always the one who is We're doing this, then that, take a break, let's move, etc etc and he doesn't consult anyone and he doesn't hesitate which means he ALSO!!! doesn't. show. weakness. He uses his position as party leader and his snarky personality to establish and keep distance. As to WHY he does this...

I think most of the few times Yuri is honestly emotional he is BEING BITTER AT FLYNN (there’s a lot of joking about Yuri being tsun for Flynn but there’s tsun and there’s bitterness) I think there is just a stupid part of Yuri that is just... how does I relationship with someone not Flynn?? And why would I want to??? I not a good person and if FLYNN larked off no-one else is gonna stick around. He implies a couple times during the game that he thinks Flynn is too busy for him, and it’s really kind of a horrible cycle of being TOO on top of his shit and perpetuating this myth that he doesn’t need anyone (ESPECIALLY FLYNN!!!111). Honestly I think one of Vesperia’s backburner issues is Yuri learning to have relationships with people who AREN’T Flynn and also forgiving Flynn for leaving and forgiving himself for failing at being a knight and all that entails.

So we VERY rarely see Yuri, while he is party leader, be anything but snarky. THIS SHORT CLIP is like. All you need to know about Yuri and his party. And it’s adorable. SO Yuri pretends he doesn’t have feelings, and when Yuri does have feelings about his party they are normally POSSESSIVE feelings that come out when he is snarlingly pissed off. Yuri is actually pretty vicious and possessive when 'his' people are involved; VERY different from his casual snark.

In Aather... Yuri’s past kind of fucked him up. :D; He just got a SLEW of negative memories with almost NO context--him killing Ragou (bad guy), him killing the Don (good guy), his captain dying in front of him, Flynn YELLING at him and calling him useless (in Yuri’’s mind). And Yuri just did not have the hardness OR the motivation (constantly being surrounded by party) to just kind of repress it down and move on. That’s where Vincent comes in...! At that point Vincent had already kind of snapped in front of him more than once, and then when it kind of became too much for Yuri Vincent sort of game him permission and space to NOT BE OKAY. And it was because he had that space that he realized he didn’t WANT to be trapped in his past. So when Yuri finally got a memory that simultaneously tipped him over and stabled him out he realized it was kind of bullshit to be an AMNESIAC WORRIED ABOUT THE PAST. Right now he is actually in a pretty healthy space of... fuck the past! \o/ he learned that he probably saved the world, so shit back home has clearly been taking care of; and he’s tired of seeing the people he loves (Raven, Vincent) obsessed with what’s already happened and can’t be undone, and he’s realized that. In Aather he has a new life and new and different relationships so he is just gonna be a toppy party leader at all the shit that comes his way and also maybe be healthier about it????

TL;DR: YURI HAS BEEN LET DOWN BY THE PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS OF HIS PAST AND IT MAKES HIM CAGEY AND NOT WANTING TO HAVE FEELINGS AND SUPER, SUPER (too) INDEPENDENT. IN AATHER YURI WAS AMBUSHED BY HIS PAST AND IN CONSEQUENCE HAS LEARNED TO RELY ON PEOPLE MORE (maybe).

Tell me about Lloyd as a protagonist.

IT DOESN'T :D I love this essay but I also want to know if that divide has changed his relationships with his canonmates specifically!

YOU WORK ON THAT WHILE I FIGURE OUT HOW TO TALK ABOUT LLOYD'S PROTAGONISTING

RELATION—No, I am kidding, except not. But, for now, what does Yuri think Vincent wants and needs? Long-term, short-term, whatever.

Actually, I am just going to list questions, because I am a Helper.

✿ Can Yuri even think of something new to try with Vincent? Tell me any plans.

✿ Has any of Yuri's plans or wants in Aather changed? Like how he would like things to go within the world or with the people he's met here?

✿ Would he go back to Vesperia world?

✿ Talk wardrobe at me. Top clothes, costumes, and props Yuri wants in Aather.

✿ What's Yuri's thoughts on class divide? From his world, from what he's heard of other worlds, and how it's changed.

✿ Yuri and monogamy. Talk to me.

✿ Just relationship blather. Whatever comes to mind. ♥

Save some for class, mmkay~?

WHAT VINCENT REALLY NEEDS IS A VACATION FROM HIS OWN HEAD.

Yeeeah... Yuri is aware that Vin is just a pretty duck on top of a deep, deep lake or however that saying goes. He knows that Vincent’s mind is ALWAYS working, sometimes in ways he can’t fathom and frankly--he just needs to stop. Yuri has serious doubts that Vincent knows how to exist without scheming something. Keywords for Yuri are ‘100 years ago’--he knows Vincent is trying to keep it under wraps, but of course he was in Onyx while everyone was was Sabliering around so the details are lost on him. But Yuri will play chess with him forever even though he isn’t crazy about it because anything that makes Vincent think about something other than WHATEVER he is normally thinking about is A+++. He doesn’t have any concrete ideas like “Vincent needs his brother to love him” or “Vincent needs to forgive himself.” He also knows Vincent does not have his morality, so he knows whatever he HAS done is much, much bigger than killing a handful of people, and more impactful for Vincent. He thunks Vincent needs more than he would ever say--like himself.

And before he didn’t think he had anything to give Vincent, but... He really does want to provide for him. They’ve both created this space where its okay to sort of flip the feelings switch, and now that they have that covered its time to start pulling out the wiring.. He KNOWS Vincent doesn’t want that. But he thinks he needs it. In a lot of ways Vincent isn’t a real person--faking the sex, not having a favorite food... There’s a lot of dissembling going on, and Yuri doesn’t think Vincent knows about some of it (most of it??)

As for what Vincent WANTS... he honestly isn’t sure. He knows Vincent doesn’t want to be merely happy with his brother, otherwise he wouldn’t be so schemey, but he KNOWS Vincent wants... something. He is probably going to play the what do you want game with him like he did with Estelle.It is hilarious he’s picking up Vincent’s habits, because now that his own shit is under control he can pay more attention...

What does Vincent think about this new... chapter... of their relationship... Does he know they’re married? Are there things happening that he’s not aware of? Is he picking up any of YURI’S habits?

Vincent is super okay with this stage and is well aware that they are married. It's really hard to put it into words without doing major wordvom, but they are both stable along with the whole situation which suits Vincent's needs perfectly. Really, he can quantify and plan for anything that comes along with Yuri, so he is more relaxed with however that relationship decides to go. He can control where it is going to go which is the biggest part of it. For his side, Vincent knows that they are sort of . . . Stuck with each other! He came to terms with this eons ago, but he is really coming to understand all the ramifications of it. So, he is just rolling with the punches, processing and predicting where he can. Really, Vincent is much more chill in general after that memory.

Anything that he's unaware of . . . Not really! When the whole love bit snuck up on him, Vincent was a little undone by it, but he's managed to push it out of the way. At this point, it's probably buried under about fifteen feet of concrete where it belongs, and he is perfectly content with that set-up. God, I really cannot think of anything that he isn't aware of . . . As for habits, I don't think he's really going to pick any of Yuri's up. It's hard, because I can't even think of any that Yuri does on a regular basis nor would Vincent unconsciously imitate Yuri. Vincent is very conscious of his decorum and manner of behavior, actutely so, so it's hard for him to put a new card in a full deck. He has spotted Yuri picking up his own which just makes him laugh, but he doesn't think much of it.

OKAY, SO: Vincent finds out that...

A. He was dragged into the Abyss without fulfilling his plan (not reccomended to go home...)
B. He DIED without fulfilling his plan (and can't go home)
C. He SUCCEEDED in his plan and unexisted himself. And he stillwound up in Aather.

Give me Vincent's feelings on these things, and maybe also contingency plans.

DON'T MAKE ME RUN CONTINGENCY PLANS!!!! Do you know that I keep a scratch pad by my computer, so I can run all the schemes and plans that Vincent does for long-term goals? Like, seriously, it takes a lot of brainwork, missy. THAT SAID!!!

a. He is super okay with being in Aather, because Will of Abyss would have had a goddamn field day with him. Everyone else would say that the Abyss sucks, Vincent would know the true depths of Hell with that girl at the helm. So, he would be like . . . I am so happy to be in Aather where things could not go half as poorly!! . . . Except they could, but if he has a pay-out, then who cares, really.

b. He would shake his head at this ending. Like, really now, self? This is all you could manage? Then, he would be all set to roll in Aather, since it clearly was not going to work out. —See, you think that he isn't planning for these kinds of outcomes already. He is. There's a reason why he's not sitting tight in Aather to see if Option C eventually happened, because it might not have and he is on top of that!! Vincent is a real-go-getter when he feels like it.

c. This is trickiest . . . It runs down a lot of different possibilities that would all have to be accounted for. Like, let me see if I can cover some:

CAST REGISTRY COMPLETE > They go home! With memories of Aather! > ... Fail.
CAST REGISTRY COMPLETE > They stay in Aather! > Everyone mentions Vincent. > ... Fail.
CAST REGISTRY COMPLETE > Abyss somehow supersedes Aather! > No Vincent, heeey.

So, it gets really fuck-all complicated when you get into the details which are where it is at for Vincent! Watch how Vincent is not suicidal, not reckless, or anything at all in canon. He's not going to kill himself and leave Gilbert with that mess, because he couldn't cope. No, he is going to take care of every small detail to give his brother the happiest life that he could which is why Vincent was running into a wall previously. He knew he had a motive that was dedicated to Gilbert which gave him the reason to do anything at all in his memories as an adult . . . Even when he was a child! Like, come on, he could have easily have said PEACE OUT when he showed up half-dead at Nightray's doorstep, but he was dedicated enough to keep alive and to keep living for this goal. So, he was like GOD What was it that I was after that could have excused my living to this point now? And then he got that memory and is like Oh. That makes perfect sense. :') And he is working towards it in Aather which ought to cover for most eventualities. Like I said, that plan is still sort of slow to mobilize, because Vincent has to work out a few kinks to make it feasible.

YURI AND MONOGAMY
This is a thing Yuri could do! It’s not natural to him, only because it’s not natural for him to be tied down. Even when he was traveling the world he still got cagey and restless being forced into a particular role. However, I feel like Yuri wouldn’t end up in a serious relationship with someone who didn’t understand him. Yuri is very conscious of himself as a sub-par person, and would never commit to someone lightly, especially to someone who didn’t understand his inclinations. The fact that he kind of stumbled into this thing with Vincent is a BIT OF A MIRACLE. That said, if Vincent told him to be monogamous, he would be, and it wouldn’t bother him too much. Yuri is not as sexually driven as he looks on the page; ESPECIALLY when he is being a party leader. For him, sex is just something fun to do in the downtime (though sex with Vincent is another animal entirely at this point because... it’s like you said in whichever Plurk; something about Vincent not wanting to have sex with people besides Yuri. It’s the same with Yuri except it would be more accurate to say he’s not driven to have sex with anyone besides Vincent... unless he is in a mood for dere sex with Cherry)

NEW THINGS... I actually just assumed you meant sex things.

Well... he hasn't fucked Vincent in a while so that is a thing on the list. But like I said, Yuri is giving Vincent PLENTY of room to... soak in that fucking his brother thing.

As for new things--mirror sex is a thing he would like to try--shame game's over tomorrow. It will be hard to get a mirror on the ceiling... he also wants to try experimenting with rough sex again, but that's a bit harder because he knows Vince has to be in a particular mood for it. Would LOVE to try post-fight sex with him once their training becomes more intense, but same problem, and honestly he knows it's not really Vin's thing... On that vein he wouldn't mind Vincent tying him up again! But no particular desire to tie Vincent up himself; Yuri likes the touching the tussling too much. Definitely wants to play more with the dream thing, possibly show Vincent more of his world. He wants to romance Vincent more, as ridiculous as that sounds! He likes the slow build-up--the dancing, being in the tub for 3 hours, etc etc. The verbal and environmental foreplay.

IN GENERAL ALSO Yuri just wants more nonsexual touching. Not necessarily cuddling, just things like kissing and draping and backrubs and all kinds of terrible things Vincent would probably laugh at him for.

Same question!

Of course, I meant sex things. And you know how this gets a bit . . . Shortened down with Vincent. Really, anything Vincent wants to try is usually squashed down or spur of the moment, whereas anything he plans for is usually something he knows that Yuri would like to try.

Mmm, he wants to get Yuri naked and alone for a few hours. Vincent just wants to explore and memorize which he wouldn't really think of sexually, but he liked it when they were in the tub, so he's just like . . . Lemme touch and map this thing that is mine.

Like always, the desire to just let loose with either a drug or alcohol is there. He will never indulge in it, but he would really enjoy it a lot if he could turn off for awhile and let Yuri do whatever. There is a lot of trust involved with that.

Denial, denial, denial . . . Vincent hasn't scratched the surface of it, but he would really like to get Yuri on his knees begging for release while he plays with him. He would take hours and just enjoy the hell out of himself with it, but he also has always had to be mindful of time and/or Yuri's position, so the intent is always cut short.

AS FOR WHAT YURI WOULD LIKE . . . Almost all of it flies! Yes, Vincent would make fun of Yuri being a girl with wanting to be touched et al, but he would also be fine with going along with it. It's less demanding for him, easier to tune in and out of. Fucking Vincent would definitely be a hard sell at this point, but if Yuri wanted it . . . Eh, it could happen. He isn't likely to want it anytime soon, at least, just because of the connotations. Also, fightsex is a harder sell until Vincent has more equal footing and even then . . . It just doesn't match with his image. It's not that Vincent dislikes the idea, per se. It's just a matter of this cultivated idea of self that he has, and it doesn't mesh with it at all. It is adapting right now, though, so who knows~.

relationship me??

There hasn't been much change since the last meme, but in general Kazu is really fond of Drift! He is cute in an abstract kind of way; Kazu doesn't really take his tsun seriously because... Kazu is used to Ikki who is also tsun and Drift is Citrine, so... They haVE FELLATIO.

Reverse?

Kazu is like, the one Citrine Drift doesn't have an issue with at some point or another and is pretty sure where he stands with him. He is pretty much on good terms with him and there isn't really anything about Kazu that triggers a grump reaction (other than his default grump) so he is pretty chill with that. For these reasons he is one of Drift's favorite Citrines, even though they don't know each other that well... :'D

Where did fellatio even come from and how did it work its way into Citrine's vocabulary...

It was during some kind of verbal game and Muraki (AKA Silver, the eponymous doctor for our chat) used fellatio in his tongue twister or whatever it was. Kazu and I think Sunny we're wondering what it meant in the endgame and instead of bothering Muraki for a definition Kazu decided to figure it out on his own. "Fellatio" sounded like "fellowship" and Muraki is a troll and didn't correct them.

Tell me about Drift and Echo!

They don't like each other! Drift thinks she's dumb and Echo thinks he's dumb but they end up talking for whatever reason anyway and almost always end up arguing over really trivial things. (I think the other day they had a debate about muffins and doors, I don't remember.) But they're both so stubborn they never settle on anything and idek. Drift doesn't trust her opinions anymore because she's always making bad decisions (drinking, eating Katou's brownies, etc.; though in her defense I don't think she knew what the effects of those things would be) and she ends up dragging Drift into those things so clearly she is dumb and that's that.

Does Kazu have any particular thoughts on Citrine as it is now?

I NEED TO FINISH HAVING FEELINGS AT YOU but relationship later maybe.

O-OH BOY

Gonna make this quick and dirty cause I am about to go to bed and you can ask me to expand on something if you want to:

SO. Yuri started flirting with Raven because Raven was hot and it was an easy way to talk to him back when Yuri was avoiding having any real feelings. TIME PASSES and he and Raven bond over canon memories... Yuri notices that Raven basically has terrible self-esteem. Flirting takes on a new note, a note of "Make Raven stop being so negative." TIME PASSES Yuri goes through some shit and becomes like 50x more stable; it basically snaps him into party-leader mode which mean Raven... goes back to being his in a very firm way.

The hot springs dream was very much on the fly--Yuri's sexual interest in Raven is more along the lines of asserting his claim but also just making Raven know that he is worth someone's time, worth Yuri's time. (And it was hot; it wasn't a wholly unselfish gesture)

Yuri's reached the point where he's sick of being bogged down with uncertainty and the negative aspects of the past so it frustrated the HELL out of him when Raven started pulling out a truckload of excuses. He pushed Raven to make sure he was actually serious, and also because he himself was just so sick to death of having to deal with everyone's mental crap! But he recognizes that Raven had a valid point--Yuri's has other people he loves, and he'd never just BE with Raven, and that does hold him back a little. Hurting Raven is the opposite of what he wants to do.

His feelings about Raven are actually pretty straightforward: you're mine, stop being a moron. He really DOESN'T care if Raven doesn't want to sleep with him, but if he does and he's just scared and throwing a bunch of what-ifs around to push the issue off Yuri is going to punch him.

Now... tell me all your feelings about that thread Raven. Also, what are you gonna do :3.

WELL THE FIRST THING RAVEN'S GOING TO DO IS ATTEMPT TO TALK TO MISATO NOW THAT SHE'S BACK because if they can actually work out their issues that might give a hard line to stop the flailing he's doing with... everyone else... for a while. I don't find that particularly likely given their track record but... it could happen.

But anyway! This is going to be really long, sorry.

I figure for a while (but particularly since Ferris' heart game and Yuri's subsequent teasing and such) Raven has been considering the possibility of being sexually attracted to Yuri! Enough so that the hot springs dream was probably not wildly shocking to him although it definitely got more explicit than anything he would have come up with on his own. But it was kind of the final straw of accepting that this was in fact a thing that he wanted.

The particular reason that thread went the way it did was a combination of factors! As I said in IRC, Raven had a complicated day.

In the morning he talked to Beatrice and had an argument about having unrequited feelings for someone; she said it was useless and pathetic and he shouldn't romanticize it, and he said that really the only thing that has ever made him want to be a good person and improve himself was love and respect for someone better than him. He was thinking of Canary when he said that! But it doesn't take much of a stretch to remember that Yuri was the one who pulled him out of his depression more recently. Which is not to say that he was suddenly like "oh, I love Yuri too" but it kind of tilted his perspective so that he could consider that was a possibility. Because Yuri is really important to him.

Then later he had the thread with Yuri with the draping and talking about Vincent, which was just like... a reminder of everything. He wants Yuri, Yuri is super casual about teasing him, Yuri has other important people.

THEN LATER or around the same time I guess idk how my timelines are working, Raven got really topped by Spitfire! They made out and Raven turned him down eventually, ish, telling him that he didn't really know how to or want to have sex with friends. Which is true! He remembers having casual sex and not wanting to do that anymore, and then he remembers hopeless one-sided feelings and then he remembers a lot of depression and avoidance. Technically he doesn't know how to have a serious relationship either but that's something he feels like he understands and wants more! HE HAS ISSUES WITH FEELINGS and having sex with Spitfire would not have helped them because he likes Spitfire but he doesn't think Spitfire really understands him at all (because Spitfire says he admires him and thinks he's a good person...). IT WOULD FEEL LIKE DECIEVING HIM? Or something like that. And it wouldn't be emotionally fulfilling for Raven. That said Spitfire topping him was super hot and trying to turn him down was intensely frustrating.

Then Raven ran into Yuri having drunk a lust potion and he just like... hit the feelings event horizon. He was emotionally exhausted and sexually frustrated and his immediate reaction was yes, want, there was no question or denial there at all. But... the idea of being with Yuri is a HUGE THING in his head, okay. When Raven starts actually thinking about wanting Yuri you have to envision this huge spinning vortex of feelings.

It's not just wanting sex with him, obviously! It's not even just wanting a relationship with him. Yuri owns his life, and he has a preeeeetty borderline unhealthy outlook on that, influenced a lot by his years with Alexei, where what he would like to do is just turn over his personal autonomy to Yuri so he doesn't have to rely on himself to make good decisions. Obviously in reality Yuri is way too much about people making their own decisions to let him do that! But it's... a delicate balance. Because Raven doesn't trust himself to make his own decisions and would kind of rather die (in canon at least), and it's really only because Yuri has stated that he's taking control (of him) that he can move forward at all.

IN AATHER Raven is actually a lot more independent and somewhat aware of how that's not the most healthy outlook. But he's still pretty affected by it!

So "I want Yuri" is not just "I want Yuri to fuck me against the wall of a prison cell" or "I want Yuri's full attention" or "I want a relationship with Yuri," it is also "I want Yuri to control me." Aaaaand at the moment he does not remotely trust himself to not let all of those bleed together. And he knows a relationship with Yuri, or having his full attention, is unfeasible because Yuri has other important people, and putting himself in a situation where he'll want that will only lead to disappointment! And he doesn't want to put himself in the position of wanting Yuri to control him either, because he's... actually doing his best to be reasonably responsible, partially because he's removed enough from Yuri that he can't rely on him.

AND he thinks all of that is ridiculously unfair to make Yuri deal with, because Yuri doesn't need to be put in the position of disappointing him, or given the responsibility of controlling him, or generally having to deal with his issues. Especially because he still kind of thinks of Yuri-in-Aather as a separate person from Yuri-in-his-memories, and is surprised when Yuri... pays any attention to him, and especially when he does stuff like reminding him that he's his.

TL;DR: TOO MANY FEELINGS. WAY TOO MANY. Was that even remotely coherent. I need to get to sleep too.

HOW MUCH OF THOSE FEELINGS DID YURI GET FROM RAVEN'S EXCUSES? He obviously is not as analytical about this and I realize he wasn't being very clear. |D

SO WHAT ARE YURI'S THOUGHTS ON ELLIOT'S REPRESSED SEXUALITY

More than a little alarmed tbh. He wasn't aware of HOW repressed Elliot was until that conversation and Elliot basically admitted he didn't know sex FELT good. Now... Yuri doesn't care if Elliot wants to be celibate until he's married or whatever but he does think that should be an INFORMED decision as opposed to one created by terror and shame. For himself, he knows that even though rough-sexing his way through feelings wasn't a GOOD choice necessarily, it did keep him sane and functional. We are in Aather and bad shit happens sometime and it's nice to be able to be comforted in that way; but even beyond that one day Elliot is gonna have a wife who deserves a husband who isn't terrified of touching her! Yuri thinks sex is natural and something a lot of people need to have sometimes just to balance out. Not having it because you don't want it is fine. Not having of it because you've been raised to be terrified of it is bad.

Not to mention Yuri is just kind of anti-shame...

Are Elliot's mental cogs trying to swallow the fact that sex might feel good?

No. Elliot is going to think about sex as little as humanly possible. I AM SORRY IF YOU WANT TO FIX THIS YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE HIM THE TALK.

So since Elliot is apparently PRETTY FLYNN i want to know why Elliot gets Dere while Flynn gets Tsun

I am not 100% sure but there are a few key differences. First of all, Flynn knows EVERYTHING about Yuri. I imagine they pretty much spent the first 18 or so years of their life glued together at the hip except maybe the one time they tried not to live together and it was a DISASTER. Flynn intimately knows how the cogs of Yuri's mind work and vice versa, so it's a LOT more exposure/being exposed with Flynn. I don't want to get tooo much into deconstructing Yuri and Flynn's relationship. There's also the fact that Elliot is his little brother so there's the sense of being protective of/being responsible for him that he DOESN'T have for Flynn.

Other factors!: Yuri is less insecure about his ineffectiveness BECAUSE Elliot (And Vincent and Raven and Cherry etc etc) give him a sense of focus and responsibility.

Does Elliot know Yuri is a murderer? What would he think about it if he knew the circumstances (Yuri killed two bad people who escaped being punished by the law as opposed to letting them be justly punished).

No, and how he felt would depend on how it was explained to him. Elliot does believe people have the right to take justice into their own hands if the law fails, but he is not a believer in revenge or anything like that, it has to actually be just and not over kill. Also he isn't a fan of execution, he believes people should pay for their wrongdoings by serving society, because the dead can't do shit other than not make things any worse, and the ideal is for people to work to pay back their wrongs.

SO IN SHORT HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HAPPY AND HE WOULDN'T LET YOU GET AWAY WITH IT AGAIN and he expects you to be a good upstanding member of society in the future. But since he is aware that Yuri is just a good person it wouldn't horribly shake him or anything.

What's Yuri think of Lucifer?

Yuri thinks Lucifer is interesting! He wouldn't mind getting his perspective on a few things. Yuri has sort of an offbeat morality so Lucifer doesn't really throw him. He feels pretty casual and safe with telling Lucifer stuff because he is pretty aware that Lucifer is not interested from an emotional, feelings standpoint. He also thinks he's hot but it's not like... "wow Lucy is hot I want to bang him" and more curious about the novelty of having actual no feelings attached sex, and what that's like.

Reverse with a side of Kazu?

Yuri is interesting because he doesn't get on Lucifer's case for having no feelings or morality, and is casually open about stuff like memories. Yuri is actually the first person to willingly show Lucifer his memory, and that's actually something Lucifer enjoys! He's a snoop, and he likes knowledge, and perspective. So frankly if he could he would watch everyone's memories all the time 8D; So basically Lucifer likes him for being decent, non obnoxious conversation.

Kazu is just kind of funny because Lucifer likes to poke him to see if he's read him right. Kazu reminds him of Katou! Which is to say, the type of person who will get a crush on you and follow you around for life after you kick his ass and then proceed to treat him like shit. SO FAR HE HAS BEEN CORRECT.

Kazu on lucifer =x?

That's... probably accurate. it's an unfortunate fact of Kazu's existence that he responds to attention, especially male attention, ESPECIALLY abusive male attention (see: HIS ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP WITH IKKI, and also Sano). Right now his feelings on Lucifer can be summed up as... "AAARGH!!!!" but if they continue to interact it's possible Kazu will get used to him and maaaybe develop a mancrush. At the moment Kazu is not close to that, but Kazu's emotions are very fluid and changeable, so really that could switch fast OR slow.

Talk to me about Lucifer's "I'll rape you if I want to" mentality! How does he see himself in relations to humans?

Oh god that's a deep and complex question.

Lucifer doesn't really see himself in relation to humans, he sees himself and everyone else, because from his very first memory it was very obvious he just does not act in the way most people do. For example! A woman who is obsessively in love with him and mindlessly loyal to him, whose life he had apparently saved at one point, tells him she will do anything for him so he immediately tells her to murder his brother, someone Lucifer cares about and is probably the only other person she might still care about.

He didn't do this because he hates either of them, or is really invested in seeing either die, and in fact I do genuinely believe that Lucifer loves Michael in his own way. But while most people would be like HM I WON'T HURT WHAT I LOVE BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE ME SAD, Lucifer just... doesn't process that way. He inherently challenges ANYTHING that might POSSIBLY restrict him, including his own emotions. And he's really fucking good at it. He is not like Acedia, who will rebel against feelings and then feel like shit afterward. Lucifer is always 100% in control of himself, his actions, his desires, expectations, interactions and so forth. So he is just honestly built (or broken down) in such a way that he can destroy everything that cares about and not bat and eye. Probably the largest part of his core character is a refusal to be bound by anything, and this shows even in how he deals with emotion.

Anyway! So that is him but he knows that he is alone in this. Even demons are not as heartless as he is. Bal (the woman who he told to kill Michael), showed loyalty. Lucifer doesn't do loyalty, as it is a binding agent. He is just flat out the guy who gives the least fucks.

THAT SAID. Lucifer does not really feel the need to prove himself much, to himself or anyone else. He is 100% certain that if he felt like raping Yuri he would do it, and your feelings would not matter. Props to you if you enjoy it, but Lucifer does what he wants, and while he is not 'evil' in the way people expect, he is okay with doing evil, so the more traditional definition of rape is absolutely something he is capable of. That said, he was fully aware that Yuri might take it as a turn on/dominance type of thing, and that is okay by him too \o/ Because that was also true. It's just that MOST PEOPLE have boundaries they won't cross, and Lucifer does not. But because Lucifer already knows that about himself and doesn't really give a fuck what others think about him, he doesn't do a lot of bad shit just to prove he can. That itself is something done by those who are restricted by the perceptions of others, which is again, a chain that he shuns.

Lucifer might still occasionally do awful things FOR THE LULZ. because he does have an inherent darkness in him and he is a sadist, but he doesn't very often. Mostly because 'needing to do what makes me happy' is itself limiting, and thus he does not naturally consider fulfilling secondary desires (like pleasure) to be very important. Having Bal fight Michael was strategic: Michael is one of a very small group of angels that can pose a physical thread to Lucifer, but Michael is emotionally unstable so making him fight someone he once cared for threw him off of game. Buuuut for the most part Lucifer does very little just because it is funny or makes him happy (but he does more so as he gets more human).

As for specifically in relation to humans, he is mooore aware of this due to talks in aather, but his mental processing is still Me - Everyone else, and then how humans compare to other species.

KAZU'S THOUGHTS ON WINGS AND WING HAVING AND HAVING LUCIFER'S WINGS

Hey Kazu, how's our relationship doing?

HEY KAZU ANYTHING NEW

ALSO I HAVE TO PICK THAT THREAD UP SO YOU CAN KICK THE SHIT OUT OF ME CUZ I LOST MY SKILL

JUST LEMME KNOW

WELL HE DOESN'T LEARN TO PUT THE WINGS AWAY FOR ANOTHER DAY SO

WE COULD JUST START A NEW THREAD

and then maybe I will have things to tell you. :|

OK 8U yes guy has worries he might actually share too

also he's v worried about your feelings =(

IF YOU START A THREAD SOMEWHERE LINK ME I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GO ON IRC FOR A DAY OR SO!!

Work hard Boxy!!!

and play heeere

Any changes, Yuri?

queston meme

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject